This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team
Can you share how you began your career in law and what motivated you to pursue this path? Was there someone who inspired or motivated you to make a career in Law?
I have seen my father crusading the cause of litigants, most of whom were poor and oppressed, and his commitment to the cause of justice, irrespective of whether his clients could pay his fees. With his excellence as a private counsel, who rose to the position of the Chief Standing Counsel for the State, rescuing public departments from many a piquant situation that arose during his tenure, I held him (and still keep him) as my role model and therefore I had no ambition, no aspiration, no other option but to study law and to serve and aid the ailing humanity with the power of Law.
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the legal field, what significant changes have you observed in the practice of law?
The technological developments worldwide have lessened the gap between fellow humans across the globe and social interactions which now happen worldwide on various social media platforms have not only broadened the horizons for budding lawyers but have enhanced their capacities and abilities. In olden times, legal research which mandated visits to libraries, and reading through books, journals and digests is now available with the click of a mouse. The information, which is available freely on the world wide web can be accessed by anyone and everyone, but then, there is certainly a word of caution for those who just believe in cut and paste, as many times, deceptive websites may offer a concocted information which may land the user in trouble. Technology and Law go hand in hand, but so do caution and care, which need to be exercised by those using technology to aid their research.
In your private legal practice, you have handled various cases in Family Laws, Civil, and Criminal Litigation. Can you share a memorable case and its impact on your professional growth?
Post Covid, there has been a spurt in cases relating to matrimonial relationships where the couple fight a concerted battle, which results in multiple FIRs being filed from either sides and related litigation in the form of a maintenance case, a case under Domestic Violence Act also being agitated in courts of law. A close look at the cases would reveal that these cases are mostly an outcome of an ego clash between the spouses where the role of an Advocate is more of a counsellor, who must use his skills to mediate and bring the parties to a consensus as, in a matrimonial case, and the cases that ensue, it is not only the couple which suffers, it is their families which suffer the trauma. In my role as an Advocate in matrimonial cases, I have successfully closed dozens of cases brought about an amicable settlement between the parties, withdrawn criminal cases, ensuring a better tomorrow for the estranged couple, by way of an agreement that created a win-win for the estranged couple.
A Memorable case that I would share related to a frantic phone call to me from a lady, a mother whose daughter aged about 13 years, complained of stomach ache and was taken to a nearby hospital where it was revealed that the girl child was pregnant and was carrying a live foetus. The family extremely poor, was devastated. On our intervention and request made to the SP, an FIR was registered and the culprit was arrested and sent to judicial custody. The bigger concern was the pregnancy which would have cost the girl child, her life. We coordinated, got a petition filed in the High Court and procured permission to abort the foetus, at state expenses. Post this traumatic incident, we handheld the girl, ensured that she was treated well and left her home, while also ensuring the payment of a compensation of 3.00 Lacs from the government, which would go a long way in sustaining her in the drama called life. All this was done gratis, pro-bono for which not a single penny was charged from the family/child.
Another memorable achievement, which is worth sharing, is the case of tourist guides of the all-famous Husainabad Trust, which owns the majestic and most beautiful monuments of Lucknow, the cultural hub of north India, and includes the signature monument of Lucknow – Rumi Darwaza, Asafi Imambada and Bhool Bhulayya, Chota Imambada etc. These tourist guides were not even paid the wages that were payable to an unskilled worker. At their request, we took up their cause pro-bono and ensured the grant of the minimum pay scale to these lesser privileged brethren, besides other social security initiatives, an effort which was lauded worldwide.
Having worked both as an in-house counsel and as an independent advocate, can you share your experiences and insights on the distinct challenges and rewards of each role, and how they have shaped your overall legal perspective?
Having aced my academics with distinction (Securing First Place in the LL.B. Examination from Jamia Millia Islamia and then having topped the Merit list of LL.M. from the University of Lucknow, securing 2 gold medals), I always craved knowledge on the working of the public as well as private institutions and I spent a considerable time, working for a central government PSU and a corporate giant, heading their legal wing. I learnt that while in government, officers are only conscious about saving their skin and trying how to delay and thereby stall a project (as one only becomes accountable when a particular action that is taken turns bad after a few years, making those who initiated and concluded the said appraisal vulnerable) private sector is just the reverse. The private sector is result/solution oriented, meaning thereby that the private sector understands the concerns and procedural hiccups but an in-house counsel is required to provide solutions on how to get a project going. In the private sector, it is the result that matters and the result is the determinant of the continuance of a job in a private entity, notwithstanding the business group which controls it.
The learnings from both the government and provide sectors which I have gathered through these formative years of my professional career are helping me in discharging my functions as a private counsel, as I understand the concerns and issues of both these enterprises and have an edge on my peers who are less aware on how the decision making takes place on these divergent sides. This knowledge and understanding help me serve my clients in a better and promising manner.
Your work in the preservation of heritage monuments in Lucknow is well-known. What inspired you to take up this cause, and what has been your most rewarding experience in this area?
Protecting and preserving culture, which is a determinant of an individual’s personality is a fundamental duty of every Indian, and when I work towards the concertation and preservation of monuments, I do so in the discharge and fulfilment of my fundamental duty. The monuments of Lucknow and adjoining districts are uniquely distinct and have an aura that resonates once you even have a cursory glance over them. These monuments have always fascinated me as a child and I used to fight with my friends who would scribble on the monuments. The fascination turned into a passion when in the year 2008, I was entrusted with a monument (Mausoleum of King Amjad Ali Shah, Hazratganj, Lucknow constructed in 1847) as a trustee appointed by the State Waqf Board. In a struggle that ensued, it transpired that the monument, which was a centrally protected monument was obscured, vandalised and on the verge of an imminent collapse, forming a part of the “Lost Monument” of Lucknow. Since neither the Wakf Board, nor the earlier committee of the Waqf had any documentation regarding this monument, the RTI Act came to our rescue and the RTI Applications we filed before the concerned authorities, visits to the Archives, regular follow-ups with the authorities resulted in the initiation of action, initially with the removal of encroachments from within and around the monument, and then its conservation and preservation, as a result whereof, the monument now stands restored as a live monument. Unfortunately, during the first COVID lockdown, the outer gate of the monument crumbled down, which has also now been fully repaired and conserved as a result of our efforts and follow-ups with the concerned stakeholders. The most rewarding moment was being adjudged “One Man Preservation Movement” by the internationally acclaimed magazine “The Economist” in Oct 2016.
The learnings gathered from the Mausoleum of King Amjad Ali Shah are now being replicated for the other similarly situated monuments of Lucknow which are equally vandalised, encroached and unkempt. I am confident that I shall be able to ensure a proper conservation of our cultural heritage, with guidance from the Hon’ble High Court where my PIL on this count is engaging regular attention of the Hon’ble High Court whose intervention is proving to be a boon for the monuments and their conservation.
Your research on the Allahabad High Court Rules led to a significant amendment. What drove you to undertake this research, and what impact has it had on the legal community? Please share some insights if you can.
An Advocate, to be able to do justice with his profession, has to be inquisitive. In my endeavour to secure the rights of my fellow citizens, I came across this provision of the Allahabad High Court Rules in the form of Chapter XVIII Rule 18(3)(a) which mandated a 10 days notice to the Government Advocate (to enable him to seek instructions from the districts regarding criminal antecedents of the bail applicants and instructions on the said applications). This notice period was necessary before the bail application was placed before the Hon’ble Court for hearing. This rule indicated the deprivation of the right to life and personal liberty of an individual sans “due process of law”. This intrigued me and I initiated research on the subject, studying similar rules across the country only to note that no rule akin to this patently unjust rule existed in any High Court across the country, irrespective of geographical areas of the states. The rule was therefore challenged before the Hon’ble Supreme Court, by way of a PIL which was drafted after thorough research and in terms of the directions of the Hon’ble Supreme Court, the Rule was amended from 10 days to 2 days, to the respite of thousands of those who languished in jails without hearing, for a minimum period of 10 days, which even extended further on account of procedural technicalities. The rule that stood in the rulebook for almost 4 decades was not challenged and led to the deprivation of the rights of scores of citizens. This in fact, is my contribution towards my fellow citizens and profession which I cherish.
Winning the prestigious Changemaker Award for five consecutive years is a remarkable achievement. How did these awards influence your work and inspire others?
The corporate sector, especially the larger companies with substantial turnover has a CSR wing, adhering to a legal mandate, and some of these companies including the Bharti group get involved in several far-reaching social initiatives and walk the talk by motivating their personnel towards public causes. I, for one, have been a Samaritan for whom public service and aiding the ailing humanity has been a priority had been crusading for many public causes all through, which were identified by the company’s foundation which enlisted my socially oriented individual efforts in the category for in-house professionals and post a detailed review which comprised of a committee of distinguished personnel and social activists selected globally, my initiatives were found laudable and creditworthy and they were rewarded by way of Changemaker Awards 5 years in a row, till I switched to a different role and reverted to hardcore advocacy.
As a visiting faculty at various institutions, what key lessons do you impart to your students, and how do you prepare them for a successful legal career? Also, what advice would you give to young legal professionals who are just starting their careers in the current legal landscape?
We, Indians have proven acumen and are conscious about our rights and reach the authorities whenever any of our rights are infringed, seeking prompt redress. While agitating for our rightful claims is our right, we have an equally important set of duties that are enshrined in Article 51A of the Indian Constitution. Unfortunately, most of my fellow countrymen are hardly aware of these duties and those who are aware, do not perform these duties. In all my interactions with the students and officers, I always insist that we must not only read, understand and perform the fundamental duties, but also imbibe upon our younger generation, especially the budding lawyers to inculcate these fundamental duties in our persona, and I am confident that if we do so, our country shall gradually rise and shine, becoming a world leader, a position which we aspire for and rightly deserve.
The young lawyers who are about to enter the unfathomable legal profession need to know that there is no alternative to hard work, and their interactions with the clients and the needy need to start with a notebook in their hands, where they need to give a patient hearing to the concerned, note down the concerns and then decide upon the course of action suited for a particular situation.
Outside of your professional life, what personal hobbies or interests do you pursue, and how do they influence your approach to your legal practice?
My personal hobbies include social interactions, reading and writing and these hobbies enable me to learn the human values of commitment, dedication, and devotion and to a larger role of a social reformer which an Advocate has to play as a person who is not only leaned but also knows how to interpret laws and write the petitions aimed at aiding the ailing humanity. The knack of a lawyer as a crusader for the rights of the poor and the oppressed is beautifully expressed by poet Waseem Barelvi when he writes :
Kaun see baat, kahan, kaise kahee jaati hai,
Ye saleeqa ho toh, har baat suni jaati hai ……
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