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Could you please share what initially sparked your interest in law and how your early experiences at ILS Law College and Crawford Bayley & Co. shaped your legal career?
Well, an interest in law sparked since it was a technical field for students after high school (12th) who did not want or rather could not become doctors or engineers, could join five five-year integrated law courses. I wanted to pursue a technical field rather than going for a simple graduation of three years and then preparing for civil services (UPSC) or any State government jobs, etc. The five-year integrated law course was in trend at that time in the year 1998. Further, the third year of the law degree i.e., Bachelor of Socio-Legal Sciences (BSL) of the five-year law course was considered and treated as equivalent to any graduation degree. Hence one had the flexibility to switch from law and pursue a job, take government examinations, etc. after completing the third year of the five-year law course. Lastly, the five-year law course also saved an additional year for those who did not want to graduate from any stream for three years and then pursue the conservative law course for an additional three years.
As regards ILS Law College Pune, I must say it is a complete institution for shaping someone who wants to make his or her career in law. The campus, the Library and the faculty were at our time and even now the best. At that time in 1998, I also had an offer to join Symbiosis Law College, Pune but I chose ILS for the reasons above.
After passing out law from ILS Law College Pune, I got placed in Crawford Bayley & Co. Mumbai in their customs and central excise department. It was a Solicitor’s firm where I learnt about how do firms practise and functions. As a novice, I had to do lots of research work, file reading, notes preparation, and brief keeping and assist seniors both in courts as well as back office. Initially working here taught me a lot.
From starting as an Advocate Assistant to holding senior roles in renowned companies, how has your understanding of the legal profession evolved over the years?
I pursued law as a means to earn my bread and butter. Initially, like many, I was unsure of where I would land in this profession because it is such a diverse field. One thing was clear: I had to learn and earn. In my view, what we study or do during our law degree is primarily for passing exams and obtaining a license. The real challenge begins when we have to apply that knowledge practically once we start working. The learning process is never-ending in this profession. Everyone will agree that we are learning every day because the law is always evolving based on facts, needs, and circumstances. Laws are amended, updated, and are dynamic.
I have learned throughout my journey, starting as an Advocate Assistant in law firms, moving to corporate houses as an in-house counsel and head, and even now as an independent legal counsel. As an in-house counsel, my role focused more on addressing business and commercial needs with the laws applicable to the industries I was supporting. On the other hand, as an independent counsel, I am responsible for ensuring the overall execution of legal strategies.
As an in-house counsel, I relied heavily on timely feedback and inputs from the business team to achieve the best results. Therefore, networking and maintaining good relationships with the business team were crucial. In both in-house and independent roles, the application of any law, strategy, or action in a given scenario can only be effective when we have the correct and relevant facts.
Having been part of both in-house and independent setups has given me valuable insight into what is expected from me in any given assignment. Additionally, as lawyers, whether in-house or otherwise, we must stay up-to-date with technology, computers, legal software, and MS Office, as these tools enhance our efficiency and boost overall productivity.
What motivated you to establish R&R Advocates Law Office in 2020?
I have been in a job for a long time either in law firms initially or as an in-house and head legal later with domestic and multinational corporate houses. I wanted to give it a try to independent work. Some of my well-wishers from the industries I worked with, their trust and networking motivated me to establish my office fully in January 2022 although I had initiated the setup in October 2020.
With your extensive experience in arbitration, can you share key strategies that have helped you successfully resolve complex disputes without resorting to court battles?
The strategies would depend on the stage of the arbitration proceedings one is involved in. If we are defending or initiating arbitration, it may ultimately be difficult to avoid a court battle, as either party is likely to challenge the arbitration award. In my experience, I have not encountered a situation where the parties involved in arbitration have fully accepted the award without further dispute. However, from a commercial standpoint, there may be opportunities for the parties to negotiate before the commencement of arbitration proceedings and mutually agree on a way forward, rather than pursuing arbitration or other legal recourses. This would depend entirely on the commercial aspects, the agreement in place, and the specific facts and circumstances of the case.
The construction of the agreement is crucial. As an in-house legal professional working with corporates, I always ensured that business agreements were thoroughly vetted, with legal clauses carefully aligned to meet both commercial and industry requirements. This approach left very few loopholes for the other party and allowed us to enforce or negotiate the terms of the agreement in the event of a dispute, thus securing the organization’s rights and minimizing the chances of legal battles in court.
You’ve worked on matters involving international collaborations, like with IFFCO-TOKIO. How do you navigate the complexities of cross-border legal issues in today’s globalized business environment?
Before addressing the main part of the question, I would like to mention that while working with IFFCO-TOKIO, I also pursued my Master’s degree in Law (LLM) in 2017 from K.R. Mangalam University. The classes for my Master’s were held after office hours.
IFFCO-TOKIO operates in the General Insurance sector, and it was crucial to regularly review and adhere to relevant government policies and regulatory circulars to avoid any non-compliance issues that could affect both domestic and international stakeholders.
Regarding the complexities of cross-border legal issues, it’s essential to ensure that stakeholders and regulatory compliance are properly managed to minimize business risks. Today, technology has advanced to the point where connecting with offshore partners is no longer a challenge. This allows for comprehensive strategies to be planned well in advance, effectively foreseeing and mitigating risks within a set timeframe.
You have experience in both litigation and corporate advisory. How do you balance the dynamic challenges of litigation with the strategic nature of corporate legal work?
The best part of having worked as an in-house counsel with various corporate houses is the exposure to a diverse range of legal issues related to different businesses. This experience has been invaluable in my independent practice, allowing me to better manage the dynamic challenges of corporate legal work. As an independent practitioner, one must also embrace an entrepreneurial mindset. You are responsible for overseeing all aspects of the work, whether you handle it personally or collaborate with others. In this role, you’re not just functioning as a lawyer—you also take on responsibilities in PR, office management, administration, and promotions.
For current law students or early-career professionals, what areas of law do you think will be most crucial or in-demand in the next decade?
In my views there are many but to name few, corporate and commercial laws, Human Rights & labour laws, tax laws, Intellectual Property Rights, Criminal Laws, Consumer Laws, Competition Laws and Arbitration will be in demand.
What advice would you give to young legal professionals who are starting their careers? How can they effectively navigate the challenges of today’s legal landscape?
In my views there is no fit formula. It is all based upon an individual as to how does he want to mould his career in law. If we go by conservative mechanism, sincerity and continuity in whatever one is doing is important without thinking about what others are doing. One has his own potentials, hence he or she should give the best out of it. To know what is happening around or to say be aware of the environment around him or her to evaluate, calculate and take decision will be important at any stage. Identify your strengths and weaknesses and work upon them but do not waste much time thinking because may are in the race and no one is indispensable.
With such a demanding profession, how do you unwind and maintain balance in your life? What activities or practices help you recharge?
I have always starved for time management. The more I try, the difficult it gets. While in job there is a fixed schedule of reporting to office with punch in and punch out and many work even after office hours. But till I was in job, I tried not to carry pending work home unless it was unavoidable. I focused on being physically active from very beginning of my career and even before that. Every day for past 20 years I have spent one and half hour daily either going to gym for light exercises and cardio, running, jogging and playing different sports like badminton, cricket, etc. This has helped me staying fit both physically and mentally as not only this profession but any demand good health. I am a teetotaler. I do party very occasionally but not late nights. I spend time with family and my near and dear ones mostly. These are the few things that has kept me going.
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